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The Duke of Uranus
Barsoom
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Posted - 22/08/2007 : 11:21:08
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The workshops could have taken place anywhere and anytime Moon ... they need not have occupied a muddy field with all that that entailed. Workshops are being held all over the place by people who believe in the causes they sign up to.
As stated before, I don't care what they get up to and how they chose to waste their time. But please do not think that by wrapping it up in clean linen that it is anything other then the sheer self indulgence that it is.
I agree totally. Every year we have a couple of festivals in town which both have a strong emphasis on promoting green lifestyles. One, the food festival, reaches a far larger audience than the Heathrow climate camp could ever hope to and achieves this without people chaining themselves to railings or preventing people from going about their daily business. |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
 Posted - 22/08/2007 : 11:29:30
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Originally posted by Borninhove
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people who know the importance of tackling the large industries and companies that are promoting their lifestyles which the planet cannot sustain.
How do you know the planet can't sustain these lifestyles? I bet 100 years ago people would have sworn that the earth could NEVER support 7 billion people, and yet we do. Many environmentalists seem to have a blind spot when it comes to humanity's amazing ability to adapt, change and invent their way forward. They are always predicting doom and gloom while the changes that are needed are being made by researchers funded by the very large industries and corporations that the gloom-mongers have so much bile for. Ironic, really.
I know the planet can't sustain our current lifestles becuase there is a vast wealth of scientific evidence about the effect that climate change will have. Allready desertification and the need for Bio Fuels is putting pressure on the global production of food. Do you really think that if all 7 Billion people on the planet used as many resources as the average American the planet's resources could cope?
Face it we have to move towards a system in which materials are recycled, waste should turn into a new material and so on. Energy should be produced and renewed in harmony with natural systems.
The mistake you make Borninhove is to assume this warning about our current lifestlye is always equated with the pessimistic doom mongering which exists in some quarters. I have every faith that we will adapt and change to meet the challenges we face. This protest is part of the adaptive processes of change.
Large corporations are changing and investing more in sustainable business models and new green technologies. 'The economic argument for action against climate change has hit home' and many are now realizing that it's not in their best interests to carry on. There is also now a lot of consumer pressure and government legislation that is driving this change. I would say that industry is more adapting to the market, rather than taking the lead in change.
Hebbden Bridge in Yorkshire is now the second town to go plastic bag free. This was organized by some local women organizing themselves. This is the adaptive change and it's fantastic. Local people achieving what their government and powerful business failed to do.
The changes needed to cope global warming should be pulling all of us together. It's something that needs cooperative teamwork.
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 22/08/2007 : 11:32:24
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Originally posted by The Duke of Uranus
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The workshops could have taken place anywhere and anytime Moon ... they need not have occupied a muddy field with all that that entailed. Workshops are being held all over the place by people who believe in the causes they sign up to.
As stated before, I don't care what they get up to and how they chose to waste their time. But please do not think that by wrapping it up in clean linen that it is anything other then the sheer self indulgence that it is.
I agree totally. Every year we have a couple of festivals in town which both have a strong emphasis on promoting green lifestyles. One, the food festival, reaches a far larger audience than the Heathrow climate camp could ever hope to and achieves this without people chaining themselves to railings or preventing people from going about their daily business.
Yes I agree the type of local food festival you talk of probaly does more to presuade people of the benifets of a greener lifestyle. I bet the food was better too! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/08/2007 : 11:36:42
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Originally posted by moon23
Hebbden Bridge in Yorkshire is now the second town to go plastic bag free. This was organized by some local women organizing themselves. This is the adaptive change and it's fantastic. Local people achieving what their government and powerful business failed to do.
What you are failing to acknowledge Moon is that those women acted without chaining themselves to railings or super-gluing themselves to revolving doors. They did not cause the involvement of the emergency services and did not waste precious man-hours that are all going to have to be funded by the taxpayer.
Changes like that are coming about and will continue to come about regardless of the crusty elements in their self absorbed righteous indignation. And precisely because of the adaptive and self preserving nature of mankind that BiH referred to. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/08/2007 : 11:44:19
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arf arf women "chained "Hopefully pregnant barefoot to the kitchen sink oh I do think the victorian blokes had some wonderfull Ideas!!(Del legs it before the furore) |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5821 Posts |
Posted - 22/08/2007 : 11:46:20
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Originally posted by thedelboy
arf arf women "chained "Hopefully pregnant barefoot to the kitchen sinkoh I do think the victorian blokes had some wonderfull Ideas!!(Del legs it before the furore)
Just wait till I get hold of them there crutches del ... you won't be legging it then   |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1402 Posts |
Posted - 22/08/2007 : 11:48:32
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that big boy made me write it "honest" |
keep on smiling |
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Borninhove
Discworld
1028 Posts |
Posted - 22/08/2007 : 12:03:17
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| Yes, but what is more likely to make a major corporation change its environmentally-damaging policies: financial expediency or dressing up in a clown suit and attacking a police officer? |
 Valhalla, I am coming! |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 22/08/2007 : 12:04:01
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
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Originally posted by moon23
Hebbden Bridge in Yorkshire is now the second town to go plastic bag free. This was organized by some local women organizing themselves. This is the adaptive change and it's fantastic. Local people achieving what their government and powerful business failed to do.
What you are failing to acknowledge Moon is that those women acted without chaining themselves to railings or super-gluing themselves to revolving doors. They did not cause the involvement of the emergency services and did not waste precious man-hours that are all going to have to be funded by the taxpayer.
Changes like that are coming about and will continue to come about regardless of the crusty elements in their self absorbed righteous indignation. And precisely because of the adaptive and self preserving nature of mankind that BiH referred to.
Yes I always mentioned I think lobyying is better than direct action.
However without all the press attention that was created by the protest movement in the past, would they have known about environmental issues?
These protesters could put their chains to better use and keep women likeyourself chained to the Kitchen. This is true |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 22/08/2007 : 12:20:20
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Originally posted by Borninhove
Yes, but what is more likely to make a major corporation change its environmentally-damaging policies: financial expediency or dressing up in a clown suit and attacking a police officer?
Fiancial Expediency.
The people who dress up as clowns do so to make it light-hearted and try and ease the tensions caused by large amounts of riot police with their batons at the ready. Have you any evidence that they were 'attacing police officers?' or is this just more bollocks sterotyping?
The Rebel Clown Insurgance movement is totaly differnt group of people then the Black Bloc anarchist or the Wombles who do have a violent agenda. I didn't see any groups of masked up anarchist in the pictures I saw though.
Face it this wasn't a violent protest.
The Countryside alliance are more likely to have a scrap with the police then this bunch of fluff bunnies. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/08/2007 : 13:08:05
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Originally posted by moon23
These protesters could put their chains to better use and keep women likeyourself chained to the Kitchen. This is true
It is women that gt women unchained Moon and don't for one moment think that it is either you or your ilk of ill informed protesters that had anything to do with it. In fact it is thanks to the baying mobs of flipping protesters that we only got half way to full emancipation. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 22/08/2007 : 13:18:20
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
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Originally posted by moon23
These protesters could put their chains to better use and keep women likeyourself chained to the Kitchen. This is true
It is women that gt women unchained Moon and don't for one moment think that it is either you or your ilk of ill informed protesters that had anything to do with it. In fact it is thanks to the baying mobs of flipping protesters that we only got half way to full emancipation.
What so now feminist protestors are to blam as well? - Sorry smelly, ill-educated, Hariy Feminist protestors (Thought if I joined in with the cliches I might win you over ) |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/08/2007 : 13:20:43
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Originally posted by moon23
What so now feminist protestors are to blam as well? - Sorry smelly, ill-educated, Hariy Feminist protestors (Thought if I joined in with the cliches I might win you over )
Anyone who goes of half cocked without thoroughly considering all the ramifications is at fault. Whether that is that mob in your favourite muddy field or over opinionated feminists of whatever gender.
Shouting the loudest is not always the best way of getting the most suitable results. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 22/08/2007 : 13:43:16
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
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Originally posted by moon23
What so now feminist protestors are to blam as well? - Sorry smelly, ill-educated, Hariy Feminist protestors (Thought if I joined in with the cliches I might win you over )
Anyone who goes of half cocked without thoroughly considering all the ramifications is at fault. Whether that is that mob in your favourite muddy field or over opinionated feminists of whatever gender.
Shouting the loudest is not always the best way of getting the most suitable results.
No , my favourite muddy field has magic mushrroms growing in it |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5821 Posts |
Posted - 22/08/2007 : 13:44:34
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Originally posted by moon23
No , my favourite muddy field has magic mushrroms growing in it
Oops sorry my mistake ... I thought what with your waxing lyrically ... |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 23/08/2007 : 12:40:43
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
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Originally posted by moon23
No , my favourite muddy field has magic mushrroms growing in it
Oops sorry my mistake ... I thought what with your waxing lyrically ...
Yes your mistake becuase you made assumptions. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
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Posted - 23/08/2007 : 13:22:01
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Is an assumption made with magic mushrooms.
Recipe please! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
Edited by - Daveb on 23/08/2007 13:22:50 |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 23/08/2007 : 13:39:01
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Originally posted by Daveb
Is an assumption made with magic mushrooms.
Recipe please!
Take a pinch of pre-conception
Stir well with some dried liberty cap (whilst avoiding the authoritarian state that has now made this activity illegal)
Now add some hot water to create an existential broth, drink broth whilst dancing widdershins around Hollinbury Hillfort.
Leave to settle for half an hour with ale and wait for the giggles to rise.
Finally begin your assertions and the assumption, alternatively ask the elves and they will give you further directions.
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Borninhove
Discworld
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 23/08/2007 : 14:26:48
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Originally posted by Borninhove
That brew of moon's is good!
Hey I may rant and talk a load of shit, but I know how to have a good time.
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how did you get that picture of me!  |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
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Posted - 23/08/2007 : 23:26:06
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| The swords are little too shiny but never mind that - what the hell is that woman in the foreground done up as?? With the modern blouse underneath her greenery...o dear, send for the Authenticity Police! |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Heathrow Protesters