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Borninhove
Discworld
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Posted - 24/04/2008 : 05:12:34
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LTNSquote:
So Mugabe has Won the Election
no other nation dare enter his nation.
FACT
Did you hear the sketch on 'The Now Show' this week, pointing out that before Mugabe got into politics her trained as a teacher:
"You, boy. What is two plus two?"
"Four, sir!"
"NO! NO! NO! It is 127."
"But ... but ..."
"No buts, boy. I am the teacher so what I say is right!"
Nightmare. |
 Valhalla, I am coming! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
 Posted - 26/04/2008 : 23:05:35
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Gordon Brown has called on the international community
to speak up against the "climate of fear" in Zimbabwe.
Un Elected Brown keeps going on about Mugabe
but he can do Nothing.
Sign Of The Times.
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 27/04/2008 : 18:50:50
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Angola has permitted
the Ship from China to Dock.
Ch4 News Live. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
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BLONDIE
Barsoom
206 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2008 : 15:18:28
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I don't wish to sound a 'know-all', but unless you have lived in Zimbabwe, or any other African nation for that matter, it is virtually impossible to understand the workings of the African mind. When asked a question they will tell you what they think you wished to know. Basically the African is tribal. At the head of each tribe is a Chief and rising above all others is a Paramount Chief who decides what the other lesser Chiefs will do. In African society anyone who opposes a Paramount Chief ends up horizontally polarised. Not too many years ago the offenders were bound, impaled on spikes and left to die. The up to date situation is much the same. Those who oppose the Paramount Chief, Mugabe, suffer death, beatings, houses burnt down et al. Those in power are those who know which side their bread is buttered. Heads of the army, police, secret service who have been nurtured over the years and know that to oppose Mugabe will result in being accused of being traitors with the inevitable results.
It is unfortunate that in International Law Zimbabwe is classed as a sovereign country, [i.e] The present Government was 'democratically'???? elected and therefore to send forces in to bring down the Mugabe regime would be tantamount to declaring war on Zimbabwe. Other leaders of African nations are not really interested because in their own way they are all dictators and also they do not want to be seen by their peers as creating waves. Hence you have Mbeke who has been stalling for years about "gentle talks" that have amounted to nothing.
The United Nations is the only organisation who can do anything at all, but if they try, they will be vetoed by China who has for many years been buying up everything in sight and in fact own a considerable amount of the country. Someone recently called it "The Zimbabwe Peoples Republic of China".
Before "Independance" which means putting out the begging bowl for other countries to fill so the 'fat cats' can live a life of luxury, a District Commissioner of many years standing and fluent in the three languages told me, "The more I get to know these people, the less I understand them."
It is to be hoped that Morgan will win the Presidential Election, but if he does will Mugabe step down, and what of the other lesser Chiefs .....................????? |
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Daveb
Earthsea
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Posted - 04/06/2008 : 20:37:27
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There will be bloodshed whatever happens.
The people of Zimbabwe can only hope the result of it all gives them a better life and return to being a country of plenty for all! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2201 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2008 : 20:41:24
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Could be interesting to see how America will respond if this happens again.
Us British will of course do nothing and put the kettle on. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5805 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2008 : 19:07:42
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This posting is on behalf of Blondie:
Horror farm attack by Mugabe thugs 07/05/08!!!!!!!
HORROR IN ZIMBABWE
Please read carefully and realize
what is going on here!!! Please tell the world what's happening by forwarding this email as widespread as possible.
STATEMENT MADE BY WILLIAM BRUCE ROGERS AND ANNETTE MARY ROGERS
7th May, 2008.
On the day of the 6th May, 2008 at approximately 1300 hours I was visited by three men at our farm, Chigwell Extension Farm.
They told me that I had two minutes to vacate my property otherwise they will send the mob there and the house is not worth sacrificing my life for. Because we would lose our lives. They said they were like hungry lions.
My wife made a report to the Chegutu Police Station about this incident, naming the people involved. At that stage I asked them if they would react to any incident that my occur and they informed my wife that they would speak to the Assistant Inspector. My wife also saw him before making the report and informed him of the visit and he told her to go and make a report at the charge office.
At about 1700 hours on the same day a vehicle - a white Datsun 1800 pickup arrived at the gate with approximately 10-12 people. They demanded that I opened the gate because they wanted to talk to me. I refused and went into the house together with my wife. We locked ourselves into the house. They came to the house and wanted me to go outside to speak to them which I refused to do. They started smashing windows and the front door was smashed open. One of them pointed a single barrel shotgun inside the house at us - we were by then upstairs. He fired a shot directly at us which went just over my head and close to my wifes' head. He obviously intended to kill us. After he fired the shot he went out and it went quiet for a while and then we heard three shots coming from the workers housing area. They returned with all the workers and fired another shot whilst outside.
I managed to get through to the Assistant Inspector and the Chegutu Police Station to ask for assistance before there were dead bodies in the house. He said that I must phone him back in half and hour. Throughout all of this my wife was on the phone to numerous friends who were at the Chegutu Police Station trying to get assistance from them with absolutely no result whatsoever. My wife and I also made many phone calls to the Member in Charge on his cell phone and he refused to answer.
By this time it was dark and the power went off so we were left completely in darkness and unable to identify our own employees. They then used the workers as a shield so that they could all come inside the house and then were downstairs chanting and singing and making threats.
They sent one of the workers upstairs to demand the shotgun from me to take back to them. I refused and this employee stayed upstairs with us. They then grabbed the son of this employee who was downstairs and from what I could gather they threatened to either kill or injure him if he didn't go back downstairs with the weapon. He went back downstairs without the weapon. After about five minutes they told all the singing workers to go upstairs using them as a shield once more. We tried to identify the workers one by one as they came up the stairs, as my wife was standing at the top of the stairs with a can of mace. After about 15 workers came through, she could not identify a person and used the mace and sprayed them. After this they ran back downstairs and out of the house.
This incensed the thugs who then proceeded to break down the back door and started a building a fire in the downstairs lounge directly below us. As we have a wooden floor upstairs this posed a great threat and we thought we would be burnt alive which is when I said that we would come out and asked if they would let us leave peacefully which they agreed to do. We asked the ring-leader to identify himself. We came downstairs and they demanded the shotgun from me which was loaded and off safety and I refused. They then insisted that I give it to them and I tried to start unloading it and they attacked me. They then grabbed my wife around the throat and she started screaming. While they were trying to take the shotgun from me three shots went off outside the house into the ground as it is a semi-automatic shotgun. They then took the shotgun from me and wrestled me to the ground and started beating me with what I assume was sticks, or pipes and kicking me with their boots. They dragged my wife outside and they were trying to strangle her. At this stage she managed to bite the hand of the man who was grabbing her round the throat. Whereupon he started to beat her. At one time there were at least four men beating and kicking her.
They then tied me up with rope and threw me into the back of their pickup. At this stage my wife was still being beaten. When they had finished beating her, one of them grabbed her by her feet and dragged her over to the vehicle. They then demanded that she stand up and get into the back of the truck which she was unable to do. One of them grabbed her by the hair, pulled her into a standing position and pushed her up against the back of the truck and told her to get in. She did climb in. They searched my wife and found the car-keys in her pocket and demanded she show them what vehicle the keys were for. They couldn't find the keys to the other truck. They drove my vehicle onto the lawn, parked near the truck where I was tied up. The immobiliser for the vehicle went off. They demanded that my wife show them where the immobiliser switch was situated which she did do. One of them drove off with the vehicle which we never saw again. They still had all the employees on the lawn around a fire that had been lit by the front door and they were still forced to sing.
There were about four or five of them around the vehicle watching the two of us, all the time they were shouting verbal abuse and racist comments and threatening to kill either one or both of us and also stating the manner in which they should kill us. This must have gone on for almost an hour. They were burning my feet with cigarettes and then we saw vehicle lights shining towards us and then my wife was told to get out of the vehicle and was dragged towards the headlights of the vehicle that had arrived. When she got to the vehicle she saw there were four armed policeman from Kadoma Police Station who asked what had happened. She told them briefly what had happened and demanded that they fetch me immediately from the vehicle as she feared for my life. One of the thugs came and untied me and told me to get out of the vehicle and made me walk towards the headlights of the parked vehicle. I noticed that they were armed policeman. The incident was described in more detail to them and they accompanied us into the house to get some warm clothing. Once we were in the house we saw that the gun cabinet had been opened and ransacked and that my weapons were missing. I informed the police that the weapons were missing. They then took us out of the house and told us to get in their vehicle as we were going to Chegutu Police Station to make a report.
We got to Chegutu Police Station and they had to call some superior officer to take a statement and he only arrived as were were leaving to go to Harare to get urgent medical attention. No police personal of any authority seemed to show any interest in taking our statement.
We were attended to by medical staff at the Avenues Clinic where numerous x-rays and CT scans were taken. My injuries are two cracked verterbrae in my lower back. Fractured cheekbone, fractured nose there was copious bleeding into my sinuses and extensive lacerations and deep-tissue bruising to my face and back and a bite to my right earlobe.
My wifes injuries are fractured cheekbones, fractures around her orbital socket round her eye, perforated eardrum, cracked ribs and extensive bruising to her face and back and throat.
W.B. ROGERS
A.M. ROGERS
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2008 : 19:20:23
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Yes
if you want to stay alive
you have to get out of that nation.
The UK is doing nothing
if they do something
then Mugabe tells his people
it is like the old days. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2201 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2008 : 19:37:49
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I am surprised that there are any white farmers left there.
It is their home but they should leave or I fear for them and many others of all creeds. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5805 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2008 : 19:57:49
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Though I can see why the general consensus appears to be that they should leave, the fact remains that these are their homes and this is their lives that they will be leaving behind.
On the other hand, I found it highly telling that they could not differentiate between their own workers and the marauding mob though they are quite clear on the fact that their own workers were not part of the marauding mob. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5805 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2008 : 20:03:33
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Though I can see why the general consensus appears to be that they should leave, the fact remains that these are their homes and this is their lives that they will be leaving behind.
On the other hand, I found it highly telling that they could not differentiate between their own workers and the marauding mob though they are quite clear on the fact that their own workers were not part of the marauding mob. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2201 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2008 : 20:14:22
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The trouble is this.
You cannot send in troops to liberate the people otherwise it runs the risk of being called an illegal war.
You cannot do nothing otherwise you are said not to care.
Sanctions only make the people suffer.
Mugabe is only a figurehead for a totally corrupt regime.
Answers on a postcard please. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5805 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2008 : 20:23:15
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| There is no doubt that this will not suddenly turn around and resolve itself without bloodshed. Rock and a hard place I think. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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BLONDIE
Barsoom
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Posted - 06/06/2008 : 23:40:34
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No this will not turn around. Even if Mygabe loses the election he will be kept in power by the police, the army and all the other fat cats who realise that if he steps down their lives will be in jeiopardy for all the crimes they have committed over the years. Remember the Matebeleland massacres just after he was elected in 1980. The Korean trained 5th Brigade were sent in and thousand were murdered and bodies disposed off down old mine shafts. He did not want a backlash by the Matebeles, later as a sop Joshua Nkomo was made Deputy Prime Minister.
Just to explain, the Matebele who are descendants of the Zulus are a hard people. The Shona are farmers. But the Shona have the numbers. All through the years the Matebele have been repressed. Top jobs held by Matebeles under Smith were all taken over by the Shona. There is no love lost between them. But now the Shona people are divided between the haves and have nots.
A similar situation exists in Burma where the military refused to accept the election results, and the good lady has been under house arrest for umpteen years.
It will be the innocent who will suffer. |
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BLONDIE
Barsoom
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 15:25:09
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| Some late news from Zimbabwe indicates that all is not well. It is believed that Emerson Mnangagwe,- otherwise known as the 'Butcher of Matebeland' after initiating the the 1980 mass murders of 20,000 people by the Korean trained 5th Brigade - has TOLD Mugabe NOT to step down if the Presidential vote goes against him. He is backed up by Augustine Chimuri Chief of Police and Constantine Chiwenga Head of the Army. In fact Mugabe is now little more than a puppet with the real power lying with the aforementioned. Further information can be had on the latest Human Rights Watch report. |
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BLONDIE
Barsoom
206 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2008 : 14:23:42
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Morgan Changirai arrested by police twice within hours. Tendai Biti, a senior member of the MDC arrested on his arrival from South Africa at Harare airport and charged with "treason".
Great pains have been taken to inform the public that it carries the death penalty...........AND STILL THE KILLING GOES ON. This is the latest atrocity committed against the wife of a member of the MDC.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4116638.ece
When is the World going to wake up and do something ? |
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BLONDIE
Barsoom
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Posted - 13/06/2008 : 14:24:26
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Tombstone Blues
Earthsea
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Posted - 13/06/2008 : 14:30:37
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Appalling though the situation there is, Blondie, I agree with Dave's comments above:
'The trouble is this.
You cannot send in troops to liberate the people otherwise it runs the risk of being called an illegal war.
You cannot do nothing otherwise you are said not to care.
Sanctions only make the people suffer.'
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BLONDIE
Barsoom
206 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2008 : 14:53:37
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| As far as International Law is concerned I agree with you, BUT, the time has come to get off the fence. What it really wants is an army of mercenaries to go in there and take the regime down. After all that is basically what Bush did with Iraq. It's the fat cats that are propping Mugabe up because now he is just a figurehead. IF, in the unlikely event he stated that he was stepping down, he would be thrown out and the Army and Police would take over. |
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BLONDIE
Barsoom
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Posted - 13/06/2008 : 14:54:40
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Edited by - BLONDIE on 14/06/2008 15:17:48 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/06/2008 : 17:30:31
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| An Army of Mercenaries? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1401 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2008 : 23:32:42
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just think of the Brightonian who funded the jets bought from Russia!! think of the same man who has paid shit loads for arms for Mugabe (Alledgedly) think of the english man who has so much property in zimbabwe that has not been taken by the veterans on Mugabe,s orders the same englishman who has most of the mineral rights in the same country!!"NVH" wHY HAS OUR GOVERNMENT NOT ARRESTED HIM FOR HELPING A DICTATOR ? SURELY THEY CAN HAVE HIM FOR aIDING AND ABETTING OR SOMETHING? i DON,T KNOW BUT HE GETS AWAY WITH MURDER |
keep on smiling |
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Tombstone Blues
Earthsea
2162 Posts |
Posted - 14/06/2008 : 00:25:51
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| Good point, it would be nice to see you-know-who well and truly sorted. |
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BLONDIE
Barsoom
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Posted - 14/06/2008 : 04:29:52
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Too little, too late. Those signing the petition know this, so that when all the shouting has died down and Mugabe is still in power they will say "WELL WE DID TRY". Also note that South Africa backed by Russia and Japan don't want to know. They have too much to loose.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7452326.stm |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/06/2008 : 15:43:07
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I have actually met Mr Rawlings,in ACCRA many years ago ( in
about 92/3)only very dark skinned bloke I have ever met with bright ginger hair |
keep on smiling |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/06/2008 : 15:48:08
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quote:
Originally posted by BLONDIE
Too little, too late. Those signing the petition know this, so that when all the shouting has died down and Mugabe is still in power they will say "WELL WE DID TRY". Also note that South Africa backed by Russia and Japan don't want to know. They have too much to loose.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7452326.stm
Better late then never ... |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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BLONDIE
Barsoom
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Posted - 15/06/2008 : 14:52:04
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| IT will make no difference whatsoever. Mugabe will hold on to power, or rather he will be kept in office by the Army & Police. As stated he is now just a figurehead. Changarai has now been arrested for a fifth time. [As a point of note when he was first elected in 1980 the election was rigged.] |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5805 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2008 : 15:12:02
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| Seeing as the only alternative, sending in mercenaries or starting another war a'la Iraq, is really no alternative we can but sit back and wait and see what happens. Sooner or later something will have to give Blondie. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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