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FunnyBones
Alagaësía



Australia
49 Posts
Posted - 01/07/2008 :  15:46:51  Show Profile  Visit FunnyBones's Homepage  Click to see FunnyBones's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Well it ultimately is the most adult of debates. Global capitalism does fine for many.

Your essential stand, it seems to me, is that it is unfair to make important generalisations about GROUPS of people and one shouldn't have any less expectation of of that group.

I think that is naive in practise.
NL

It never pays a prophet to be too specific.

L Sprague de Camp
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6016 Posts
Posted - 01/07/2008 :  16:02:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FunnyBones

Well it ultimately is the most adult of debates. Global capitalism does fine for many.

Your essential stand, it seems to me, is that it is unfair to make important generalisations about GROUPS of people and one shouldn't have any less expectation of of that group.

I think that is naive in practise.
My essential stand(?) is something I do not recognise from your description of it. Care to elaborate?
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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FunnyBones
Alagaësía



Australia
49 Posts
Posted - 01/07/2008 :  16:56:24  Show Profile  Visit FunnyBones's Homepage  Click to see FunnyBones's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Well it's not supposed to be about you. I started with that assumption hoping not to be sidetracked. I'm wrong?
NL

It never pays a prophet to be too specific.

L Sprague de Camp
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Tombstone Blues
Earthsea



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Posted - 01/07/2008 :  17:51:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FunnyBones

My bet is that history and the plight of Sub Saharan Africans will show a direct link between PC and disaster. So long as we are afraid to be unPC, a real holocaust will continue.


What exactly do you mean by that?

(Fully expecting the old FB-evading-a-direct-question boogie)
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6016 Posts
Posted - 01/07/2008 :  19:54:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FunnyBones

Well it's not supposed to be about you. I started with that assumption hoping not to be sidetracked. I'm wrong?

Oh I know that, which is why I was rather surprised with you going on about my essential stand and the accompanying waffle. So, shall we try again?
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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Daveb
Earthsea



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Posted - 01/07/2008 :  20:13:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Many people are going to die whatever is said or done.
The End!
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you!
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6016 Posts
Posted - 01/07/2008 :  20:33:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Daveb

Many people are going to die whatever is said or done.
The End!
Many people already have and no doubt you are right and many will do so unnecessarily in the future before this mess gets sorted.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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Daveb
Earthsea



2353 Posts
Posted - 01/07/2008 :  20:45:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
History is a big book that nobody learns from.
Power and greed make you blind and deaf.
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you!
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6016 Posts
Posted - 01/07/2008 :  20:59:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Power and greed are the main motivators behind Global Capitalism
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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Daveb
Earthsea



2353 Posts
Posted - 01/07/2008 :  21:01:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One of the main failures and successes of the human race.
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you!
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BLONDIE
Barsoom



245 Posts
Posted - 02/07/2008 :  00:00:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I rather think we have digressed from the original subject.
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FunnyBones
Alagaësía



Australia
49 Posts
Posted - 02/07/2008 :  03:12:24  Show Profile  Visit FunnyBones's Homepage  Click to see FunnyBones's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BLONDIE

I rather think we have digressed from the original subject.


Zimbabwe? I think what is happening from Darfur to Cape Town is pretty relevant. Separating Zimbabwe from what has happened in the continent would be a mistake.

I'll take a punt (shoot the messenger in advance if you wish) that South Africa will be Zimbabwe times ten in 15 to 20 years time. If not before.
NL

It never pays a prophet to be too specific.

L Sprague de Camp
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BLONDIE
Barsoom



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Posted - 02/07/2008 :  14:52:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes NL I think you are quite right. It seems to be heading in that direction at the moment. Perhaps it's best to just bow out quietly and let them get on with it.
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FunnyBones
Alagaësía



Australia
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Posted - 03/07/2008 :  00:47:36  Show Profile  Visit FunnyBones's Homepage  Click to see FunnyBones's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BLONDIE

Yes NL I think you are quite right. It seems to be heading in that direction at the moment. Perhaps it's best to just bow out quietly and let them get on with it.


It being unimaginable horror. It is none of our business. Is this relative culturalism? They are relatively far removed.
NL

It never pays a prophet to be too specific.

L Sprague de Camp
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Tombstone Blues
Earthsea



2227 Posts
Posted - 03/07/2008 :  15:49:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now we know why it's happening . . .

He's a catholic!

http://www.freethinker.co.uk/2008/07/03/mugabe-a-good-catholic-dictator-just-like-hitler/
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6016 Posts
Posted - 03/07/2008 :  20:05:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tombstone Blues

Now we know why it's happening . . .

He's a catholic!

http://www.freethinker.co.uk/2008/07/03/mugabe-a-good-catholic-dictator-just-like-hitler/



A quote referred to in your link Tombstone
quote:
Mugabe is a hero. He liberated his people from white protestant serfdom. He fought the liberals and heretics who tried to destroy Zimbabwe. He outlawed sodomy. And he is still fighting against US imperialism and the traitors who seek to destroy the country from within … At the same time he is a devout and pious Catholic. Mugabe is truly a chivalric knight of our age … There is no injustice in what President Mugabe is doing. He is enforcing godly leadership on his people, just like King David did in Israel. Authoritarianism is of God.

Wow ... beating people into submission, raping for votes and torturing for reeducation is enforcing Godly Leadership!
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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BLONDIE
Barsoom



245 Posts
Posted - 04/07/2008 :  14:09:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Religion is the opium of the masses !
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6016 Posts
Posted - 04/07/2008 :  17:44:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I personally prefer the Karl Marx quote: 'Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand.'
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6016 Posts
Posted - 21/07/2008 :  15:41:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7516019.stm
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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