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Martha Gunn
Barsoom



235 Posts

Posted - 15/05/2008 :  19:19:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Control Panel

The dodgy Karis has somehow got the money together to buy Dresden House and get this planning permission for it.

Is this the sort of building more likely to sell at such a time? Especially if there turns out no longer to be the prospect of residents looking out their windows and seeing the King Alfred towers looming?

Was permission given with the tacit understanding all round that the king Alfred will not in fact go ahead?

http://www.theargus.co.uk/display.var.2264282.0.victorian_villas_to_be_restored.php



Given the well publicised underhand tactics employed by Karis with the King Alfred, it really beggars belief that any further applications by them are even considered by Brighton & Hove. In fact, it is outrageous that Brighton & Hove tax payers money is spent on processing this companies applications when, evetually, they will pocket considerable profits.

Its nice to see that good old fashioned back-handers must be alive and well!
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long time no see
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6771 Posts

Posted - 15/05/2008 :  19:24:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Back Handers
of course we are in the Blair/Brown CORRUPT years.
FACT.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6163 Posts

Posted - 15/05/2008 :  19:38:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see

Back Handers
of course we are in the Blair/Brown CORRUPT years.
FACT.

Unfortunately back handers have been part and parcel of some business dealings for a consoderable time :TNS and in all sorts of years.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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B.O.B.
Alagaësía



85 Posts

Posted - 16/05/2008 :  05:44:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wonder who is in charge at planning now. They got rid of those who would ask questions at the KA decision fiasco. Someone must know who's getting these backhanders if this is true. Does it go right to the top?
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Furzewick
Barsoom



United Kingdom
134 Posts

Posted - 16/05/2008 :  09:55:05  Show Profile  Visit Furzewick's Homepage  Reply with Quote
My suspicion is that it goes right to the top. Look at the person whose duties included steering the King Alfred project before his current job !
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thedelboy
Discworld



United Kingdom
1454 Posts

Posted - 16/05/2008 :  09:59:39  Show Profile  Send thedelboy a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Strange there are a lot of vans with "Mears working in partnership with brighton hove city council" wonder who is in charge of the council now?? conflict of interests??

keep on smiling
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Control Panel
Discworld



1251 Posts

Posted - 16/05/2008 :  10:04:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, this phrase "working in partnership" covers an enormous about of dodgy dealings. So does "preferred bidder".
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thedelboy
Discworld



United Kingdom
1454 Posts

Posted - 16/05/2008 :  10:10:41  Show Profile  Send thedelboy a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Perhaps it is compensation for closing the market(designed and built by "Karis" presumably

keep on smiling
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1342 Posts

Posted - 17/05/2008 :  10:14:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Evidently Cherie Blair was not satisfied by pasties.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1970064/Cherie-Booth-cheated-on-two-men-before-settling-for-Tony-Blair.html
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1342 Posts

Posted - 20/05/2008 :  10:07:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a report which shows how much better, quicker and cheaper it is to exercise in the open air than at gyms. More people realise this.

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/wellbeing/story/0,,2281051,00.html
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Daveb
Earthsea



2447 Posts

Posted - 20/05/2008 :  10:19:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is cheaper and you can go when you want.
I prefer to run and walk etc outside.
Down side is that it is cold and wet at times.
You can get chased by dogs and seagulls, tread in all sorts of wonderful things, get abuse from teenagers when running through town and look a pratt when exercising in the park.

So maybe a gym is better??????????????????

We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you!
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FG1
Alagaësía



Wallis and Futuna Islands
44 Posts

Posted - 23/05/2008 :  09:55:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No development this year. From KA website.

How long before planning permission falls when nothing happens?
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1342 Posts

Posted - 31/05/2008 :  09:22:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This article shows that Gehry's design in New York brings bays in the apartments.

So, why in Hove, are his curves merely bolted-on struts? And why didn't he design all of it?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/31/arts/design/31beek.html?_r=1&ref=arts&oref=slogin
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thedelboy
Discworld



United Kingdom
1454 Posts

Posted - 01/06/2008 :  18:07:55  Show Profile  Send thedelboy a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Is it true "Greggs" will be bought out by "starbucks"?link WWW.BULLSHITZU>COM

keep on smiling
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1342 Posts

Posted - 06/06/2008 :  10:14:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Will Brighton and Hove Council provide free swimming by 2012, as the Government has today announced?

This will make for an interesting factor in the KA costs.
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birdy
Alagaësía



United Kingdom
81 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2008 :  22:13:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Front page of tomorrows argus (if it doesn't get pulled)should feature some news regarding todays guardian interveiw with frank gehry,more or less admitting that those ugly perimeter blocks were not his idea and how he was forced to design higher.Also about a meeting scheduled for 3 weeks time with ing,karis and the council,,i hope and i will be praying that the plug is about to be pooled,,scuse the pun,and we can get down to refurbishing the original pools that lie beneath the badminton halls and build a much needed school for the area instead of forcing my local school to have prefabs in the playground and bullying the next door school into losing its tennis courts and field to add on more classes to an already overcapacity enviroment.
And saving the area from a development that is so detrimental to human life it beggars belief that is still being thought about.
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Furzewick
Barsoom



United Kingdom
134 Posts

Posted - 01/07/2008 :  23:49:15  Show Profile  Visit Furzewick's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Here is something
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/generalnews/display.var.2373799.0.credit_crunch_puts_king_alfred_in_doubt.php
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Control Panel
Discworld



1251 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2008 :  10:38:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now that the Karis scheme has collapsed, what will happen to the site?
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B.O.B.
Alagaësía



85 Posts

Posted - 03/07/2008 :  06:46:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does Karis have control of the site to sell on? It hasn't delivered on the 'free' sports centre as was the deal.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6163 Posts

Posted - 03/07/2008 :  07:04:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by B.O.B.

Does Karis have control of the site to sell on?
Please say it isn't so ...
(that Josh could fall into a cesspit and come up smelling of roses!)

(It was never going to deliver on the 'free sport centre' ...)

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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birdy
Alagaësía



United Kingdom
81 Posts

Posted - 04/07/2008 :  09:28:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
what if council tax payers have to pay for the shortfall in costs for the development,an agreement signed by the developer and the council in 2006.what if they drop the sports centre?
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6163 Posts

Posted - 04/07/2008 :  09:49:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Someone should really look at holding the ones who made these ludicrous agreements accountable.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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Control Panel
Discworld



1251 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2008 :  19:04:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another report about Gehry's "aborted" seaside towers in Hove.

If this is what Gehry continues to say, then it is certainly all off.

What next?

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/art/architecture/story/0,,2289852,00.html
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Furzewick
Barsoom



United Kingdom
134 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2008 :  21:19:23  Show Profile  Visit Furzewick's Homepage  Reply with Quote
He was heard on Radio 4 this evening saying "we're not doing it".
In another report Piers Gough even made a comment about Gehry. Fancy that !
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Control Panel
Discworld



1251 Posts

Posted - 10/07/2008 :  10:02:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why is the Council being so slow to announce something which is being stated nationally, in print and on the airwaves by the very designer of (part of ) the building?
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Furzewick
Barsoom



United Kingdom
134 Posts

Posted - 10/07/2008 :  18:34:24  Show Profile  Visit Furzewick's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Not to mention in Latest Homes
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Control Panel
Discworld



1251 Posts

Posted - 12/07/2008 :  16:32:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This report states that there are too many flats for sale, and not selling. Especially "new build".

The Government has been insisting on high-density flats when English people do not want them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2285871/Number-of-homes-being-built-at-lowest-rate-since-1990s.html
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6163 Posts

Posted - 12/07/2008 :  17:09:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh yes ... I almost feel vindicated.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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Daveb
Earthsea



2447 Posts

Posted - 12/07/2008 :  18:46:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lets us hope a fix can be found that can regenerate the current building and facilties or build a new complex from council funds.
I am talking about a sports facilty, no flats.
In this time of impending depression the council needs to generate real jobs and I am sure all the parkings fines and cutting a few psuedo jobs in the council will help fund it.

We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you!
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Observer
Alagaësía



5 Posts

Posted - 13/07/2008 :  11:09:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear Panel, you must have posted a different article to the one you described. This one doesn't once mention the word 'flats', it merely says that building is slowing down because of the mortgage squeeze. Nor does it say the Government is keen on high-density flats in particular, which would be untrue anyway hence the 'eco' towns.
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